The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-425 – John and Tom Chat about Cancer

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Hello and welcome to episode 4-425 of the RunRunLive Podcast.   

Well, here we are again, it’s a beautiful, sunny, single-digit, February morning and I’m talking to you! Ollie the collie is being a pain in the butt.  I was on a trip all week so he didn’t get his runs in and he’s very stressed out.  He’s being the toddler-terror today. 

He’s already chewed on a couple socks and the channel changer and is harassing me with a toy as I try to write.  That’s dog life. 

Today, I have a very special and personal conversation with John and Tom, who are both prostate cancer experienced and members of our running circle.  Both of them are friends of mine and I’m honored that they were kind enough to share their stories. 

In section one I’ll talk about the non-linearity of the mileage curve.  In section two I’ll give you a write up of a book I read on the plane this week that I really liked called “Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends on it.” 

All links, including the one where you donate to my prostate cancer campaign for Boston (wink wink nudge nudge) are in the show notes, which, by the way, you should be able to access on your phone or other listening device, as part of the episode meta-data. 

About Zero

ZERO — The End of Prostate Cancer is the leading national nonprofit with the mission to end prostate cancer. ZERO advances research, improves the lives of men and families, and inspires action.

Link to my ZERO page: (for Donations)

Busy couple of weeks.  My training has been going well.  I knocked out a nice 13.8 mile step up run last week and I’m starting to transition into more long tempo as we are getting closer to Patriots Day. 

It’s been relatively mild this winter but getting a wee bit colder.  My long run last week started at 14 degrees.  I forgot my thick gloves and was worried I might have to knock on someone’s door to warm up during that first hour.  It used to be I’d just run harder to warm up but that’s not a great strategy for me anymore in a multi-hour run. 

My bottle froze and my headphones failed.  But, hey, it was sunny and windless, so it wasn’t too bad and I was able to do some thinking and focus on my run.  There is no good or bad run there is only the ‘is’.  I swung by and picked up a couple of my running club buddies for the second loop who I hadn’t seen for a while and had a good catch up. 

Was able to close out the last 30 minutes at close to race pace.  All in all a solid outing. 

Monday morning I was off to Vegas.  I always forget that Vegas is in the Western time zone.  It feels like it should be in Mountain time.  That puts it 3 hours ahead of me, which helps for those morning workouts because you’re up anyhow.

I knocked out a 30-minute time trial on the treadmill Monday morning.  I showed up at the gym in the casino at 5:00AM when it opened, and it was already ¾ full.  There was a line for the equipment when I stepped off an hour later.  All those East Coasters. 

I got a kick out of it though.  I just imagine them thinking “Who’s this old guy knocking out 7-minute miles at 5 AM?”  I’ve turned the corner a bit on worrying about being slower and I’m quite grateful to be getting at it still at all and to be able to do anything a bit quicker makes me happy. 

I got out on the strip during the last day before I headed to the airport.  Always fun to get out and take a look around.  It was mid-60’ss and sunny.  Good to see the sun.

I always like running up and down the strip.  You can do the whole thing in 6 miles.  You have to run up and down the pedestrian bridges. It’s not optimized for running.  It’s optimized to get you into a casino. 

The air is dry there in the desert but misty with the sadness of self-loathing and empty wallets in the mornings.  But, that’s not my story. 

On with the show!

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Section one – The Mileage Curve -

Voices of reason – the conversation

John Vaughn and Tom Penny - article from Tom on exercise and cancer treatment - Tom’s Blog

Section two – Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends on it  –



Well, my friends, we have run past the pyramids in the desert to the end of Episode 4-425.

I’m going to continue to be busy here as I ramp up my specificity for the Boston Marathon.  You can go to to contribute to my cause, I’d appreciate it.

I’m going to wrap this up so I can get out and take Ollie for a walk before he chews through the walls.  I’m pained to say that he has totally not taken any training. In fact he’s reverted. When I say ‘Come’ he runs in the other direction.  When I say “Leave it!” he laughs and plays keep away. 

Nothing is safe in the house.  Last night he brought me a nickel.  I told him to come back with at least a $20.  If I try to watch TV or sit at all he bites me until I stand up.  After the nickel he stole my wife’s hat and chewed the pom-pom off the top.  He’s got demons. 

I didn’t want to go for a walk this morning because it was only 3 degrees out and I wanted to get some writing done.  I was planning to write on the plane but I was too tired and ended up watching the last season of Silicon Valley instead.  That’s a funny show.  I don’t get HBO at the house and can only get certain shows on planes ironically.  

I’m also watching my way through pretty bad scifi series called FarScape on Prime.  Kind of a low-budget Lost in Space meets cosplay. 

 Now that it’s warmed up a bit I’ll take Ollie for a walk and get my errands in.

One of the speakers this week was an author from Stanford named Amy Wilkinson who writes and speaks about the The Creator’s Code: The Six Essential Skills of Extraordinary Entrepreneurs. One of her points was “Small Gifts”.  This resonated with my current practices of gratitude, kindness and empathy.

Her point was to make a practice of giving people small gifts to build trust and reciprocity in relationships.  Not physical gifts, although that’s ok too, but the unexpected gifts of small kindnesses and thankfulness. 

And I’ll leave you with that – who today can you make appoint of thanking for something they did to help you see the world differently? 

And I’ll thank you for letting me think and talk with you on this endurance journey. 

I’ll see you out there. 

(Outro bumper)

To continue my music series I give you track #2 from Brian Scheff, the Rock Opera by The Nays.

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