The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-448 – Dave McGillivray Boston Marathon to Covid Vaccination

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MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks -


Hello my friends and welcome to episode 4-448 of the RunRunLive Podcast.  How we doin?  Here we are flipping the page to February of 2021.  How about that? 

Big news from my side of the world, that being New England, is the cold.  Cold, cold, cold.   It was zero degrees F this morning. 

I just got back from 7ish miles in the woods with Ollie.  We waited until after lunch and the temp came up over 20.  Nice day, sunny, windless, cold.  It’s really good running in the trials right now.  With the freeze, the ground is nice and hard. 

We got a couple of light snowstorms earlier in the week, maybe 3-5 inches of fluffy snow.  With so much traffic in the trails these days it’s all packed down and hard and fast.  It’s only icy where the spring come up. 

I had a pretty good week of running coming off the end of the infected toe.  The antibiotics cleared the infection up.  I took a bout a week off, but was back on it this week.  I bought some silicone toe caps,  toe protect that toe while it heals.  They work really well for me.  For some people they fall off, but for my big toe they fit great and keep the toe safe. 

I got back to training.  Had a pretty good weekend, despite the cold weather.  Friday I did a set of long hills in the cold, which were awful while I was doing them, but when I looked at the data were a decent effort. 

Yesterday I did a long 16 miler in the trails.  Most of it was pretty sucky, but that’s how ultra training is supposed to go.  You run until it sucks and then you run more.  That’s the name of the game.  And Ollie and I knocked out another 7 just now so that’s close to 30 miles in 3 days.  That’s encouraging. 

I didn’t take Ollie yesterday for the long run.  I thought it might be too cold for him.  I didn’t want to chance him hurting his feet.  For myself, I had to figure out how to carry water.  The challenge with this weather is that your bottles freeze in under an hour in any handheld. And the bite valves freeze even faster on your packs. 

What I ended up doing was wearing my Aonjiie vest with the two 500ML bite valve bottles under my outer layer.  I had my phone in an inner layer as well.  That worked well.  The bite valves didn’t freeze and I could unzip my outer layer to get a drink.  

I brought an old spring energy recovery gel from my ultra-bag; that bag where I keep all the ultra stuff, for fuel.  But when I opened it up at the halfway point it tasted like it had gone bad.  So – basically 3 hours in the cold with no fuel.  My balaclava froze to my head.   But I got it done and felt fine today. 

After the antibiotics and taking a week off I was noticeable chubby so I’ve been watching my food this week and have already knocked 5 pounds off. 

Today we chat with out old friend, director of the Boston Marathon, Dave McGillivray.  He is a case study in resilience and the power of a positive attitude.   This pandemic knocked his business of race directing right out from under him.  He had to pivot.  And he did.  He’s now running the vaccinations at Fenway and Gillette stadium.

Of course we also sneak in some Boston Marathon talk. 

In section one I’m going to talk about what to expect and how to counter the effects of aging as an athlete and in section two I’ll talk about work stress. 

Because I’ve had a really stressful week of work.   And I got through it.  Next week might be worse or better – but I’ll get through it. 

I try to show up with a positive attitude, have empathy and lead as best I can.  I also know I’m not going to get everything done and I make choices about what to not get done based on what’s important to me. 

Getting my workouts in is important to me. Writing and communicating is important to me. 

You, you’re important to me. 

We’re in this together right?  That’s what they keep telling me anyhow…

On with the show.

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Section one – The Aging Athlete -

Voices of reason – the conversation






DMSE Sports is an industry leader in event management operations and logistics. From road races to charity walks, we pride ourselves on producing safe and technically excellent events by creating trusted relationships, paying attention to every detail, and executing flawlessly. DMSE strives to produce the highest-caliber experience, whether consulting on existing events or building and managing them from the ground up.



Black Lives Matter.


We at DMSE Sports have always supported that sentiment internally, but stayed silent externally. However, we  want to be part of the change for good, and to do that, we recognize it’s necessary to speak out and stand in solidarity with those who are fighting for equality and racial justice.


It’s time we become better allies. To externalize our internal anti-racist beliefs, to learn from those who have lived the experiences, to listen when they point to injustices and prejudice. Black and brown lives matter, and they deserve to have an equal opportunity for happiness, success, and long life.


As a start, we will be donating all funds raised by the DMSE Foundation during the Medford2Medford race to organizations that directly support communities of color.


This is just the beginning of DMSE's effort to effect real change. We know we have a long road ahead.



The company and its 75+ consultants manage more than 30 major road races and charitable events per year, including:


New Balance Falmouth Road Race


Eversource Walk for Boston Children’s Hospital


Camp Harborview Citython 5K


Run to Home Base


Boston Marathon Jimmy Fund Walk


Delta Dental Mount Washington Road Race


BAA Half-Marathon


BAA Boston Marathon


lululemon San Diego 10K


TD Beach to Beacon


Dick’s Sporting Goods Pittsburgh Marathon




Feaster Five Thanksgiving Day Run


Harvard Pilgrim Finish at the Fifty at Patriot Place




“There are 3 rules I never break—No questions asked. 1) Call my mom back within an hour. 2) Tell someone every day that I love them. 3) Always say yes to Dave McGillivray.”



Since 1981, DMSE has organized or consulted on more than 1,000 events, raising millions for charity and earning a reputation as one of the most thorough, well organized race management firms in the U.S.


DMSE’s first event – the Bay State Triathlon at Wright’s Pond in Medford, Mass. – attracted 100 participants and was one of the first triathlons ever held in New England and the nation. McGillivray had competed in the 1980 Ironman Triathlon in Hawaii and brought the concept back to his native Northeast. A triathlete for years, McGillivray competed in eight Ironman triathlons and introduced the inspirational father-son team of Rick and Dick Hoyt to the sport. In January of 2011, he was inducted into the USA Triathlon Hall of Fame.


Triathlons were just the beginning for DMSE. As the group organized more athletic events, McGillivray and his staff quickly earned a reputation as detail minded, safety oriented and creative thinkers in the competitive arena of event management. In 1988, the B.A.A Boston Marathon noticed and appointed McGillivray technical director of the world-famous marathon, and in 2001 he was appointed race director – a title he still holds today.



As DMSE grew, McGillivray added to his team, hand picking the best in start and finish line management, lead vehicle programs, runner registration and results, while working with local volunteers, race committees and police and fire departments to create a smooth operation come race day. So when Olympic Gold Medalist Joan Benoit Samuelson had an idea for a road race in her hometown of Cape Elizabeth, Maine, she reached out to McGillivray and his team.  The TD Bank Beach to Beacon 10K was launched in 1998 and is now among the most popular on the U.S. road race circuit, attracting some of the world’s fastest elite athletes and drawing rave reviews from participants.


Others noticed as well. From the Bellin Run in Green Bay, Wisconsin and the Lady Speed Stick® Women's Half Marathon Series throughout the U.S. to Run to Home Base at Fenway Park and Run For The Dream in Williamsburg, Va., a DMSE race is known for being safe, organized, technically advanced and produced without flaws. No wonder that in 2000, McGillivray and his team received the prestigious Race Director of the Year award from Road Race Management. 



In 2014, DMSE added another high-profile event to the portfolio as the team was brought on to manage the Across the Bay 10K in Annapolis, MD, which has had more than 20,000 runners in each of the first two years!



DMSE Sports also is a pioneer in what is now one of the most important aspects of the athletic industry – combining athletics with philanthropy. Nearly every DMSE endeavor has that unbeatable combination of fitness and fundraising, giving back to the Jimmy Fund and Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston Children’s Hospital, Lazarus House and many others.



DMSE has been involved with more than 900 major events over the 30+years, but here are a few highlights:


1980 Dave McGillivray Running and Sports Center opens in Medford, Massachusetts


1981 Dave McGillivray Sports Enterprises (DMSE) is born, sets up offices in Medford


1982 DMSE directs first triathlon, the Bay State Triathlon at Spot Pond in Medford


1983 DMSE produces Cape Cod Endurance Triathlon, first Ironman-distance triathlon in the continental U.S.


1984 Dave McGillivray Sports Enterprises, Inc. is incorporated, April 19, 1984


1988 DMSE is hired as the Technical Coordinator of the BAA Boston Marathon.


1989 DMSE manages Boston Marathon Jimmy Fund Walk


1990 DMSE directs the Triathlon World Championship at Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida


1993 DMSE manages Feaster Five Thanksgiving Day Road Race in Andover, Massachusetts


1996 DMSE assists with 100th running of the B.A.A. Boston Marathon with a record 38,000+ official entrants


1996 DMSE consultants hired to assist with venue management of all road events for Atlanta Olympic Games


1998 DMSE directs Goodwill Games Triathlon in New York City


1998 DMSE asked by Olympic Gold Medalist Joan Samuelson to manage the first TD Bank Beach to Beacon 10K (then the People Beach to Beacon 10K)


2003 DMSE creates its own foundation: The DMSE Children’s Fitness Foundation


2004 DMSE manages USA Women’s Marathon Olympic Trials in St. Louis


2008 DMSE assists BAA in managing USA Women’s Marathon Olympic Trial in Boston, Massachusetts


2010 DMSE launches four new races – Spring Training 10K Classic in Jupiter, Florida; Run to Home Base at Fenway Park in Boston; Harvard Pilgrim 10K at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough; and the Run Gloucester 7-Mile Race in Gloucester


2010 DMSE Foundation launches “Running in Places” program for Boston-area school children


2010 DMSE hired as consultant to the Standard Chartered Singapore Marathon


2010 DMSE hired to manage 2011 Run for the Dream half marathon in Williamsburg, Virginia, and 2011 Mt. Washington Road Race


2011 DMSE celebrates "30 Years Running" March 12 with more than 450 dignitaries, consultants, and athletes; DMSE hired to serve as the race director of the New Balance Falmouth Road Race in Cape Cod in time for its 40th running


2013 DMSE manages the 25th Boston Marathon Jimmy Fund Walk


2014 DMSE assists with the Across the Bay 10K in Annapolis, Maryland


2015 DMSE hired to direct the USA Invitational Half Marathon in San Diego, California


2016 DMSE manages the Runner's World Half & Festival in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania


2017 DMSE celebrates 20 years of managing the TD Beach to Beacon in Cape Elizabeth, Maine


2017 DMSE hired to manage the inaugural Fenway Park Marathon


Section two – Managing Work Stress -



Ok my friends we have lined up in the parking lot between the barriers to get our shots through the end of  Episode 4-448 of the RunRunLive Podcast.  

So I watched “the Dig’ on Netflix.  I’ve been excited to see it.  Because I’m a big history buff.  And if you don’t know ‘the Dig’ is a period piece about the excavation of an Anglo Saxon ship burial in Sutton Hoo, on the coast of Suffolk in England.   

I won’t disparage the program but I was hoping for some archaeology and it turns out it’s more like ‘the English Patient’.  Lots of feelings and relationships and very little actual Anglo Saxon.   They don’t even show the helmet or mention king Raedwald.  So if you like British period dramas go for it.  If you like archeology, not so much.

The other wonderful discovery I’ve made in the last couple weeks are some very entertaining science fiction podcasts. Since I have my own “After the Apocalypse” podcast now – which you should go like and comment remember – I did some searching and found some others to listen too. 

There are three I’ve been listening to on my runs.  The first is Asimov’s Science fiction podcast that reads stories form Asimov’s magazine.  The second is Light Speed Podcast, another science fiction story podcast.  And finally my favorite is Clarkesworld science fiction.  I think I like that one the most because the editor always sounds exhausted.  <Links in the notes. >

They are all nice, little 20-30 minute chunk-size stories.  Perfect company for running in the dark, snowy trails.  Some are better than others.  The good ones make the so-so ones worth it. 

Other than that I’m working my way through a Jimmy Buffet novel called “A Salty Patch of Land” which is refreshingly easy to digest.  A bit of a palette cleanser – so to speak.  Cowboys, boats, lighthouses – typically breezy Jimmy Buffet style.  Cringe-worthy at time but unapologetic.

And that’s what I have for you this week. A decent week.  The days are getting longer fast now.  4+ minutes a day.  The vaccinations are rolling out.  We might even be getting on airplanes and gettiggn back out into the world soon. 

Stay warm.  Stay strong.  Be a leader,

And I’ll see you out there.

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