The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-332 – Marathon Champ Kim Jones
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Hello and welcome to episode 4-332 of the RunRunLive Podcast. Hello, hello, hello. Remember when I said we didn’t get any snow in that big storm? Well you can scratch that out, apply a little white-out and scribble over it because we’ve gotten a couple nice storms since then up here in New England. Winter showed up after all and left me with some fluffy, white water particles to move.
It’s also pretty chilly. Dropping down into the single digits Fahrenheit this weekend. I don’t mind. It just puts a little ice in the beard for these long runs. We did a 2 hour long run on Sunday morning and it was -9 F when we started and 0 when we finished. That was a bit rough.
By the way kids ‘White-out’ is a clever double entendre for snow and typing mistakes. You see…we used to put sheets of flat dead trees into complex mechanical devices that bashed tiny courier font letters into place on the page. If we hit the wrong basher we’d have to pull the whole sheet of squished dead tree out of the bashing machine, paint over that mis-bashed bit with white paint, called ‘white-out’, then re bash it with the correct courier font basher. Medieval, right?
In the late 80’s Wang labs invented ‘word processing’ ad all the courier-bashers went onto the scrap heap. Which was good news for me. The only class I ever got a C in was typing.
Anyhow, today we chat with Kim Jones who was an elite marathoner in the late 80’s, early 90’s. It was a pleasure to talk with her and hear about her amazingly successful and well balanced career. Especially because she had a fairly difficult early life.
In the first section I share a post I wrote on what to expect from a 24 hour relay race. In the second section is a summary of an interesting book I just finished on reinvention.
I’ve been training well. I’ve been hitting some decent distances with some quality and volume. Coach has me working on some core strength and yoga. I really need it because my hips, glutes and quads are weak and my balance is crap. Nothing hurts and I’m progressing injury free. I’m probably up into the mid-40 miles a week range in volume and feel fine. We’re 2 months out from Boston and the hard work is about to begin.
My travel and work schedule hasn’t been that intense so I’ve been trying to get a lot of sleep. I’ve been eating, mostly fruits and veggies and have maintained my beer breakup for 3 whole weeks now! I feel strong. Even though it’s cold outside I try to get out on the roads to do my runs because that little bit of sun goes a long way towards chasing the winter blues away.

I’ve had a few people asking about Buddy the old Wonder Dog. He’s doing fine. He’s old and doesn’t get around with the same pop that he used to. He’s got those fatty lumps which are some sort of benign fatty thing that old dogs get. He’s still lean and healthy at 12+ years old but his hips bother him if he does too much. He still manages the stairs and does everything he needs or wants. He apparently sees, smells and hears as well as he ever did.
There is only one other dog left from his cadre in the neighborhood. All the rest are gone now. His friend the Sheltie took the long trip just last week.
On the weekends he rides around in my truck with me to do errands. He just likes to get out and watch the scenery go by. When he was younger I had a truck with a sliding window on the back of the cab. He’d sit with his rump on the armrest and stick his head out the back window. More than once I’d look in the rearview mirror to see people in the car behind waving and making faces.
I still take him out for easy runs, but not more than once a week, and only on trails and only easy runs. The cold weather helps but he doesn’t like the snow because it gets stuck in his paws. I just have to be careful to not overdo it or he’ll be stiff and sore and limping around the house the next day.
He still gets cabin fever if I don’t take him out, at least for a walk every now and then. He’s cantankerous and will decide to walk up behind me and bark in my ear while I’m working at my desk and scare the bejeesus out of me. Or just sit and stare at me, like he’s trying to levitate me with the Force. Mostly he just hangs around the house and sleeps.
He likes my bedroom, and my bed because it’s a high vantage point on the second floor and he can keep an eye on the front yard while he’s snoozing. This does mean that I’ll find my pillow a bit tainted with the smell of dog-butt and I’ll wake up with a beard full of Border collie hair. There is hair everywhere.
We got him a big bed in the living room and he sleeps on that while we watch TV. He does this funny thing where he digs in it before he lies down. He’s always at the door to greet us when we come home looking for a cuddle and a hug.
It’s been quite a ride since I smuggled that 8-week-old shy puppy home in a bag under the seat in front of me from a farm in Tennessee. Where I am in my life I don’t know if I’ll get another dog. But it’s hard to imagine not having the comfort and companionship. Maybe I can get a time-share arrangement.
I was watching TV this week and it was cold in the house. I scooped up my old puppy who was snarfing around the rug at my feet compulsively looking for crumbs. He may be old and smelly but he still makes a great blanket to cuddle with on a cold winter’s night.
On with the Show!
Section one - Running Tips
24 Hour Relays -

Voices of reason – the conversation
Kim Jones.
Book ->Dandelions Growing Wild on Amazon
Coaching site->

Kim Jones began running marathons after watching Joan Benoit Samuelson’s victory at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics on television. She quickly rose to become one of the best female marathoners in US history and was ranked 3rd in the World in 1991. Throughout her career, Kim has been one of the most dominant distance runners in the world. She has more high-level placings in world-class marathons than any other US female marathoner in history with 17 performances under 2:33. (Deena Kastor 10; Joan Benoit Samuelson 9; Lisa Weidenbach 7) Kim grew up in the Pacific Northwest before raising her two daughters in Spokane Washington, and now resides in Fort Collins, Colorado with her husband Jon Sinclair. Since retiring from competition in 1998, she has been a coach with Anaerobic Management (, an on-line coaching service for distance runners, as well as a speaker at special events, road races and Expos.
Fastest marathon performances:
• 2:26:40 Boston ‘91 (2nd) 3rd fastest U.S. marathon performer
• 2:27:50 Berlin ‘91 (2nd)
• 2:27:54 New York City ‘89 (2nd)
• 2:29:34 Boston ‘89 (3rd)
• 2:30:00 Boston ‘93 (2nd)
• *** Plus 12 other performances under 2:33 since 1986
• 5000 meters- 15:43 (‘96)
• 10km- 32:23 (‘89), 32:48 (‘97)
• 15km- 50:09 (‘88), 50:20 (‘95)
• 1/2 Mar.- 1:11:34 (‘88)
• 25km- 1:26:54 (‘97)
• Marathon- 2:26:40 (‘91), 2:31 ('97, at age 39)
• U.S. 30K (1:47:41) and 20 mile (1:55:29) records
• Ranked 3rd in the World in the marathon (1989)
• 8th place finisher at the Stuttgart World Championships (1993)
• Member of the Road Runners Club of America Hall of Fame (1996)
• Member of the Colorado Distance Running Hall of Fame (2009)
• 25 career marathons (before the 1998 injury and retirement)
• Average time - 2:33:04
• Average place - 4.1
• Fastest marathon 2:26:40 - Boston 1991
• Slowest marathon 2:48:48 - Honolulu 1984 (first marathon)
• 1984 Honolulu 2:48:48 5th place
• 1985 Twin Cities 2:35:58 2
• 1986 Twin Cities 2:32:31 1
• 1987 Twin Cities 2:35:42 2
• 1988 Pittsburgh 2:32:15 5
• 1988 Chicago 2:32:03 5
• 1989 Houston 2:32:32 2
• 1989 Boston 2:29:34 3
• 1989 Twin Cities 2:31:42 1
• 1989 New York 2:27:54 2
• 1990 Boston 2:31:01 5
• 1990 New York 2:30:50 2
• 1991 Boston 2:26:40 2
• 1991 Berlin, Germany 2:27:50 2
• 1992 Hokido, Japan 2:35:46 3
• 1993 Boston 2:30:00 2
• 1993 World Championships/Stuttgart 2:36:33 8
• 1994 Boston 2:31:48 8
• 1995 London, England 2:31:35 6
• 1995 World Championships/Gothenburg short course 14
• 1995 Chicago 2:31:24 2
• 1996 New York 2:34:46 4
• 1997 Boston 2:32:52 9
• 1997 New York 2:32:00 6
• 1998 Houston 2:35:44 2
• *** injury and retirement from competition
• 1998 Chicago 2:43:37 16
• 2001 New York 2:51:21 36
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Section two
The Last word on Power-

Outro -
Closing comments
MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks -
Ok my friends, put down that dog, brush off the hair and get on with your life because we have bashed our way through to the end of episode 4-332 of the RunRunLive Podcast.
Hey guess what? The audio version of my book “MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon with a full time job and family” is an official audio book on How about that?! Persistence yields favorable outcomes. Now you can use that audible membership that the other podcasts guilted you into getting so that they could pocket $10.
Speaking of podcast advertising – I read an interesting article about it. I listen to a lot of podcasts and many of them have advertisements in them. I find ads super annoying – but – the way they work is there are 3 places where you can put an ad. These are called ‘pre-roll’, ‘mid-roll’ and ‘post-roll’. You see this with the ads at the beginning, the middle and the end, right?
For example you might have a 15-second pre-roll spot for the ‘this show is sponsored by’, etc. The way the podcaster gets paid is by the thousands of impressions, or in our case, downloads. The rates vary but it’s somewhere in the $20 a spot per thousand range. It really only makes economic sense for the larger podcasters. If you were curious, that’s how it works.
Here’s a tip for you. Most podcast listening apps have a feature that allows you to skip forward X seconds by poking the appropriate button. If you set the number of seconds to 10 or 15 you can cruise right by the ads and get on with the content – the podcaster gets paid and you don’t have to listen to yet another Harry’s razors commercial – it’s a win-win.
On a more interesting topic I have a conference in Phoenix on May 17th and 18th. I’m planning on taking the following day, Thursday the 19th off and running down from the south rim of the Grand Canyon to the bottom and back up. It’s about 20 miles round trip. It’s an amazing place – even at a casual pace we can get down and back in 8-10 hours. So, anyone who wants to join me let me know we’ll have an epic adventure!
I’m trying to talk my youngest who graduates the weekend before into coming with me.
Would still appreciate your support for my Team Hoyt campaign for Boston. The links are in the show notes. (The totally pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll ad free show notes.) Or just go to my web site at

One thoughtful bit of learning I got from the Last Word on Power was the concept of impossible.
The point is to do the impossible you have to re-jigger your thinking so that it isn’t impossible any more. It’s an interesting leadership hack. While everyone else is looking at the situation, the challenge and asking “What is possible?” you could blow up the conversation by asking “What is impossible?”
It’s similar to the ‘big hairy goal’ concept that we’ve talked about. If the goal is big enough it forces you to change your approach. By asking ‘what is impossible?’ it forces you to rethink your thinking, your frame of reference and your approach. By singularly setting the impossible as your goal you are forced to figure out how to make it possible and that inevitably is an entirely different path.
In the business world look at Elon Musk’s companies. He’s going to commercialize space travel. He’s going to reinvent the automobile industry. He’s going to bring hyper-loops to cities. Surely all these things, if you asked insiders are impossible.
Look at Amazon. They are going to deliver to you in an hour. They are going to fly packages to your door. All these things are impossible.
These impossible things may never become successful realities but look at the innovation and forward progress and unique thinking they unlock. That’s the power of impossible.
Look at your life. Look at your work, your family. What have you decided is impossible? Go make it happen. – and l’ll see you out there.
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