Episode 4-353 – Ann and I talk about when you can’t run anymore

The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-353 – Ann and I talk about when you can’t run anymore

 (Audio: link) [audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4353.mp3]
Link epi4353.mp3

MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - http://www.marathonbq.com/qualify-for-the-boston-marathon-in-14-weeks/

Hello my friends and welcome to episode 4-353 of the RunRunLive Podcast.  Today we are going to have a chat with our old friend Ann Brennan about not being able to run anymore.  I’m going to do a series on this – so if you’ve got some major body part replacement or something that has caused a radical shift in your endurance sports allegiance – shoot me a note and we’ll chat about it. 

In section one I’m going to talk about how to ease into heart rate training and how it makes a great 30-day project.  In section two I’m going to talk about a 30-day project I’m in – running naked!

I apologize for the rough edit job on the last show.  I got a new laptop and it took me a while to break it in.  It was really struggling with the audio editing.  I de-installed the stupid McAffee software, changed the cache settings and added another 8 meg of RAM, so we’re good now. 

We finally figured out how to set up a separate podcast feed for members and I’m working on it.  I have a nice piece on running in the November woods that I’m going to drop this week for members.  If you would like to join and help support the podcast that would be great and you would have access to members only audio. 

Here’s a snippet…

The sound of the leaves crunching underfoot with each rotation of sole.  That sound that is more than a sound.  It is a sound that you feel through your body with each footfall.  Like biting into a crisp apple and that first sweet chew of skin and flesh.

The November leaves have yet to be trodden down by the rains of fall and the snows of winter.  They lay heavily on the trails and in the woods like great drifts of snow.  Piling deep in the hollows, hiding in their multitudes, huddled together from the harrying winds. 

Did you see the kerfuffle around fake news on Facebook?  Wasn’t I just talking about that?  There yah go. I’m a trend setter. 

My running is going great.  I had a kinda big build week last week.  Probably up into the mid-40 miles.  Mostly long Zone 2 trail runs.  My base aerobic fitness is spot on.  I feel great.

What I try to do is to take Buddy the old wonder dog out for the first 20 minute loop, then drop him at the house and go back out.  He’s struggling a bit.  His hips hurt and his back legs don’t work all the time very well. 

I’ve had a stretch where I haven’t been traveling and I’ve been working out of my home office.  It’s great, most of the time.  You can really get into a nice rhythm.  I get up early and do my morning routine.  It makes nutrition and workouts easy to manage as well. 

In the mornings when I get up I have a routine.  I get up, brush my teeth and head downstairs to the kitchen.  I switch on my computer when I walk by on my way to the kitchen. I put my coffee and oatmeal on the cook.  I settle in at my desk while that cooks and do 5 minutes of guided breathing meditation. 

Now Buddy has hacked my routine.  As soon as I switch the lights on he wants out.  If I let him out he sits in the front yard and barks.  Not at anything just Bark! Bark! Bark!  Like some sort of dog Morse code. This is very early in the morning and does not ingratiate him with the neighbors.  It’s still dark out.  No one is up in the neighborhood.  And it’s very difficult to meditate with a dog barking like that.  Even with my noise cancelling headphones.

But if I don’t let him out he’ll sit and stare at me while I’m trying to meditate.  Then he’ll whine a bit to get my attention and if that doesn’t work he’ll just bark right at me.

He broke his lead this week.  I went out for my run at lunch and he met me in the driveway with 3 feet of lead trailing behind him.  He was quite happy with himself, having had an excellent run about the neighborhood.  Apparently he got into something nasty because I woke up to him staring at a big pile of throw up on the living room carpet the next day. 

So, Buddy hates meditation.  I suppose I could do my meditation before I come downstairs…Or I could have him stuffed and mounted.

On with the show!

The RunRunLive podcast is Ad Free and listener supported.  We do this by offering a membership option where members get Access to Exclusive Members Only audio and articles.

Yes, we are still working on setting up the separate podcast feed for the member’s content.  Most recently I recorded and uploaded the first chapter of the zombie novel I’ve been writing for 30 years. 

    • Member only race reports, essays and other bits just for you!
  • Exclusive Access to Individual Audio Segments from all Shows
    • Intro’s, Outro’s, Section One running tips, Section Two life hacks and Featured Interviews – all available as stand-alone MP3’s you can download and listen to at any time.

Links are in the show notes and at RunRunLive.com

Become a member

Section one –

6 Heart Rate Training Practice Tips - http://runrunlive.com/heart-rate-training-6-practical-steps

Voices of reason – the conversation

Ann Brennan – When you can’t run anymore

Ann Brennan is the author of A Running Commentary an adaptation of her blog, Ann’s Running Commentary  a blog about the mental side of endurance sports.

Her book is currently available on Amazon.  

Ann is a marathoner, Ironman and ultramarathoner learning to adapt to life as a non-runner.

She has recently started her own social media consulting firm helping small local businesses realize their full potential through social media marketing.  

I included this photo because I am adapting to life as a non runner.

Section two

Running Naked - http://runrunlive.com/running-naked


Well my friends you may have woken up unable to ever run again but you have made it to the end of episode 4-353 of the RunRunLive podcast.  How about that?

I held off writing this outro until today, the Friday after Thanksgiving, so I could let you know how my Thanksgiving 5K went.  It went well.  I’ll give you the 300 word race report.

The race started at 8:00 AM so I made sure to set the expectation with Teresa that we were leaving the house at 7:00, so I could get a nice long warm up in before the start.  I got up and rubbed some flexall into my leg muscles to wake them up and get some blood flowing.  I had some coffee and a couple bites of oatmeal.  We got out of the house on time.

The weather called for freezing rain but it held off until after the race.  It was below freezing, maybe 28 degrees or so.  There was a skim of ice on the ponds as we drove over.  I put on full tights and a long sleeve tech shirt with my club singlet over it.  I had a pair of thin running gloves and the multi-colored knit hat my mom made for me.  In such a short race I didn’t want to be cold. 

We checked in and I headed out to run the course as a warm up.  I am so glad I took the time to warm up.  I ran about 2.5 miles of the course in just over 21 minutes, I managed to get my heart rate to come down but my hands never warmed up and I never broke a sweat.  I probably should have done some strides, but by the time I got back to the start I had missed my clubs group photo and the race was about to start. 

There are a lot of kids in this race and a lot of rookie runners.  They tend to take off like bottle rockets at the beginning and you have to be careful not to get tripped or get sucked out too fast.  That first mile felt so strange and unnatural.  I was trying to find a form and pace that didn’t feel totally alien.  I was with a bunch of folks I knew from my club but there was no way I talk to them.  It was all I could do to get oxygen.

I looked up my time from last year and it was an average pace of 7:04’s so I set my A goal to break 7’s and my B goal to not collapse 2 miles in. 

We clicked by the first mile mark at 6:36 which was a pleasant surprise.  I had managed to find my form.  I wasn’t focused on effort or pace, just on having good upright form, turning my legs over and working the tangents.  This course is pretty flat but does a bunch of zig-zagging around the neighborhoods in the second mile.  It helps to know the course or to have run it 20 minutes before the race!  

With the fast first mile I just relaxed and worked my form.  I knew last year I had faded in the last mile so I wanted to make sure I held back enough.  There were a couple little kids running near me, like 8 or 9 year-olds.  It’s great to see the next generation out there but they haven’t learned pace awareness or special awareness yet.  It was like when you’re trying to cook in the kitchen and the dog is underfoot. 

I was just behind some dude running with a pumpkin pie hat, more like a head dress, and he got a lot of attention from the volunteers. 

I passed the 2 mile mark and misread my watch. I thought it said 6:37 but it actually said 6:47, but either way I knew I was ahead of my goal pace going into the last mile.  Right after the 2-mile mark the course turns up and over a rail road bridge and back through the center of town, then one more small hill and downhill into the finish. 

Those little hills were where I faded last year, but with my thorough warm up I was able to push through there without the leg fatigue.  I just held my form and focused on turnover.  I pushed through the finish strong. 

My watch had me running 6:44 averages pace but the race clocked me at 6:51’s. I ended up 61st out of 587 with a  21:16 finish and 5th out of 72 in my age group.  So, yeah had a good morning.  Got to talk to some friends and made room for some turkey. 

Next weekend I’m running in the Mill Cities Relay and I’m dragging Teresa along for that too.  It’s an 8-leg invitational that all the local clubs run from Nashua New Hampshire down the Merrimack River to Lawrence Mass.  My club usually fields a bunch of teams. 

After that you’re all invited to join me at the 4th annual Groton Marathon and half marathon on New Years Eve Day.  We’re going to have actual timing this year.  I have at least 3 other people going the distance with me and we usually get 20ish people show up to run some of it with us. 

I have been doggedly reading through Thoreau’s Cape Cod in snatches as part of my morning routine.  I find it quite enjoyable.  I know the places that he is talking about.  I have been to them.  And even though he is tramping around the outer Cape in the 1850’s, the towns are the same, the flora nad the fauna are the same, and the sand and the sea are the same.  I can picture it quite well as I read. 

I’m nearing the end of my trip through this small but dense book.  And Mr. Thoreau is nearing the end of his trip as well.  The portions I read this week travelled through Truro, past Highland Light and up Race Point to Provincetown. 

One morning he is watching the mackerel fleet sail out to the fishing grounds from Provincetown.  He sees hundreds of boats under sail coming in the morning then arriving back in the evening.  He compares fishing in the ponds of Concord to the fishing these men do.  In Concord they fish as a form of relaxation or sport.  He seems to infer that these men and boys of Provincetown get to play at fishing all day and it seems like quite a life. 

The next day there is a strong North Easterly gale.  Thoreau and his companion march out of Providence into the wind across the desert, as he calls it, to the Atlantic shore.  They see the breakers being driven onto the banks at high tide and see the few ships struggling in the sea.

“As we stood looking on this scene we were gradually convinced that fishing here and in a pond were not, in all respects, the same, and he who waits for fair weather and a calm sea may never see the glancing skin of a mackerel, and get no nearer to a cod than the wooden emblem in the State-House.”

This resonated with me on a fine morning in November with the first dust of snow on the ground.  Are you waiting for calm seas?  Are you waiting for fair weather?  The fish aren’t going to wait for you.  Get in your small boats and be brave.  Go out into the stormy world and wrest your destiny from the gaping mouth of Fate.

I’ll see you out there.

MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - http://www.marathonbq.com/qualify-for-the-boston-marathon-in-14-weeks/



Direct download: epi4353.mp3
Category:Running -- posted at: 6:27pm EDT

The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-352 – Frank Gianinno – The USA Cross Country Record Falls

 (Audio: link) [audio:http://www.RunRunLive.com/PodcastEpisodes/epi4352.mp3]
Link epi4352.mp3

MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - http://www.marathonbq.com/qualify-for-the-boston-marathon-in-14-weeks/

Hello and welcome to Episode 4-352 of the RunRunLive Podcast.  How are you doing?  Hanging in there?  Good.  It’s been a weird couple weeks, But we made it. Here we are.  It’s the middle of November. I am another year older and as far as I know the sun is going to come up today. 

Although I can’t be too sure because we’re in that part of the year where we wake up in the dark and come home in the dark up here in New England. 

The leaves are all down and the bones of the old Earth are poking through the great canvas.  It’s cold in mornings and that feels good on our old bodies.  I’ve already had a fire in the fireplace. 

Today we have a great chat with Frank Gianinno who held the record for the cross USA run until Pete Kostelnick broke it!

In section one we’ll talk about the advantage of creating seasons of losing fitness into your endurance careers. 

In section two we’ll inspect how today’s environment is wired to keep us from focusing on long term, high value projects.  And I’ll issue a challenge for you to join me in a 30 day project.

My running is going fine.  I’m starting to lay on some more miles now that I’m fully recovered from Portland.  I’ve been doing a lot of strength work especially in my glutes and hips. 

Buddy the old wonder dog is doing fine.  He’s nuts though.  Compulsive border collies don’t make the best retirees.  He’s up in the mornings, ready to go and bothers me like a 3-year-old until he collapses on his bed for a 2-hour nap. 

I’ll take him out at lunch for a short run in woods behind my house.  He can still manage a slow 20 minutes but his hips bother him.  We give him the Glucosamine treats and those help.  As near as I can tell Buddy will be 13 this month. 

He’s gone a bit deaf as well, but I think some of that may be an affectation.  He just doesn’t want to listen anymore.  It’s a bit like living with a crazy old person.  He’ll start barking for no reason and running around the house.  He hears imaginary threats. 

The RunRunLive podcast is Ad Free and listener supported.  We do this by offering a membership option where members get Access to Exclusive Members Only audio and articles.

Yes, we are still working on setting up the separate podcast feed for the member’s content.  Most recently I recorded and uploaded the first chapter of the zombie novel I’ve been writing for 30 years. 

    • Member only race reports, essays and other bits just for you!
  • Exclusive Access to Individual Audio Segments from all Shows
    • Intro’s, Outro’s, Section One running tips, Section Two life hacks and Featured Interviews – all available as stand-alone MP3’s you can download and listen to at any time.

Links are in the show notes and at RunRunLive.com

Become a member

I’ve been filling my birdfeeder this month.  The wild birds in my yard love it. It’s a party outside the window every day.  I’ve got all your normal wild New England birds.  There are the small black and white chickadees that are our state bird.  There are the similar looking nuthatches.  There are titmice and a flock of sparrows that come in like a motorcycle gang taking over the town.  There are mourning doves and cow birds who pick up the leftovers on the ground. 

I’ve got a pileated woodpecker or two and some angry looking blue jays.  Occasionally we’ll be surprised by a goldfinch or a ruby crested kingslet or some other unique visitor. 

This morning I got up to let Buddy out at 5AM.  As I held his collar in one hand and reached for his lead with the other I saw some movement out of the corner of my eye.  It was a big old skunk snarfing around under the birdfeeder for left overs not 2 feet from where I was standing with the dog. 

I quickly pulled the dog back inside.  Crisis avoided. Imagine how different my day could have been? 

On with the show!

Section one –

Purposeful Deconditioning - http://runrunlive.com/purposeful-de-conditioning

Voices of reason – the conversation

Frank Gianinno – Cross USA world record holder 1980 – 2016

Frank’s Store:

Frank's Custom

Shoe-Fitting Happy Feet,

Guaranteed329 Route 211 East, Middletown NY 10940



Frank’s Story:

I began fitting running shoes in 1977 in Eugene, Oregon, while attending school there.   I have been a shoe store entrepreneur since 1983.  Two friends, Bob Bright and Bill Glatz, opened a running store in New Paltz, New York, in 1978 called Catch Us If You Can.  I was with them when Bob suggested the idea to Bill.  I ran regularly with Bob and Bill and helped them in their store.   I knew it was just a matter of time before I too would own a running shoe store.   Orange Runners Club co-founder, Bruce Birnbaum, gave me that chance at ownership in 1981.  The Middletown New York store was called Blisters Ltd.  Blister’s was opened for business for only one year.  The next opportunity at ownership was with Albert Weinert Jr. in 1984.  At first the business was called Frank’s Run-In Room.  A few years later we incorporated the business under the name Orange County Sporting Goods.  I became the sole proprietor in 1991.  In 1998, I changed the name to Frank’s Custom Shoe-Fitting.  In 2003, I became a Board Certified Pedorthist.  Here are the (14) key life experiences that put me on the path to the running shoe business: 1. Received the Eagle Scout Award, Troop 55, Blauvelt, New York, 1967; 2. Ran Track at Tappan Zee High School my freshman year; 3. Ran Track and Cross Country for three years at Valley Central High School in Montgomery, New York, graduated 1970; 4. Ran Cross Country during my two years at Orange County Community College, Middletown, New York; 5. Completed Army basic training at Fort Dix, New Jersey, 1972; 6. During advanced basic training at Fort Huachuca, Arizona, I watched the Olympic Games in Munich on television as Frank Shorter won Olympic Gold in the Marathon and Steve Prefontaine finished 4th in the 5,000 Meters; 7. Lived in Anchorage, Alaska, from December 1972 thru June 1975 during the “Black Gold Rush”, ran my first marathon there; 8. Spent the entire summer 1975 traveling from Alaska thru Canada and all over the USA really seeing the sights and getting to know the lay of our great land; 8. While attending SUNY New Paltz in 1975-76 ran (3) marathons in Buffalo, Maryland and Boston running Maryland in a lifetime personal best of 2:39:34; 9. While living in New Paltz that year I trained almost every day with Bob Bright; 10. While in Flagstaff Arizona 1976-77,  completed my undergraduate degree and learned a great deal while training at an altitude of 7,000 feet; 11. Spent the summer 1977 traveling around the west with my brother John; Attended the University of Oregon for two semesters and lowered my personal best 10K to 32:59; 12. Worked in my first store selling running shoes Sugar Pine Ridge in Eugene, Oregon; 13. Returned to New Paltz in April 1978 for the Boston Marathon to handle for my two friends Bob Bright (27) and Bill Glatz (20) where they ran 2:37:24 and 2:32:00 respectively.  The running scene in New Paltz had really elevated. While living in Flagstaff and Eugene, I really missed running in the Gunks and of course my friends and the social scene in New Paltz.  14. While in Boston I noticed a book called My Run across the United States by Don Shepherd, and started to dream about a run of my own.  Soon after Boston 1978 I knew my career path was going to have a great deal to do with running.  Everything I was doing revolved around the running lifestyle.  Nothing ever felt more real.  I have stayed close to the running sports ever since.  I will continue to do so until the day I die.

Frank’s record setting run across the USA

There were actually two Runs. The first effort began on March 1, 1979, in Santa Monica, California. During a pre-dawn rain, Frank and his friend Bill Glatz scooped up some Pacific Ocean water. They handed it to their friend and handler, Rebecca Wright, to store in their donated motor home. The water would be part of a ceremony of "West meets East" on the water's edge at New York City's Battery Park at the completion of the Run. Run #1 began from the parking lot of the Four Seasons Restaurant on Highway One, overlooking the Pacific.


Prior to this, Frank and Bill often trained in the Shawangunk Mountains near New Paltz, NY. Arguably, New York's Hudson Valley Region is one of the best places to train on Earth. The mountain trails of the 'Gunks', world- famous for rock climbing, hiking and boldering, also feature some of the best 'Rave Runs' anywhere. Currently, the U. S. Marathon team trains there. The countless miles on the carriage trails of Mohonk and Minnewaska helped prepare them for their odyssey. After a rough start, Billy decided not to continue. He departed Run #1 early on day eleven in Phoenix, only after he was sure that Frank and Becky would be able to keep up the 50-mile per day pace needed to reach the finish in 60 days.

Despite daily terrain and weather challenges, Frank's greatest concerns were physical. Thankfully, symptoms that could lead to injury would disappear, despite running all day, day after day. Much of this was due to creative shoe modifications, lower leg compression hose and an understanding of self, along with the constant help of Becky. Frank, with Becky's undaunted support and friendship, finished Run #1 arriving at New York City Hall on April 30, 1979, sixty days and six hours after that rainy start. They ran through thirteen states, covered 2,876 miles, averaging fifty miles per day. Their adventures along the way have become legendary. At the end of a brief ceremony in Battery Park, the Twin Towers looming overhead, Frank answered a reporter's question regarding, "Would you ever do it again?" by saying he was definitely going to do another run: this time from San Francisco to New York. He knew that for his next Run he would need greater financing and a larger support crew.

Four months later, Frank won the Kingston Half Marathon in 1:12:05. Then in March of 1980, he finished second in the St. Patrick's Day 10K in New Paltz with a time of 33:00. All the high mileage coming across the country paid off, as Frank enjoyed the best racing performances of his life. His only other standout performance, time-wise, was his 2:39:34 in the 1975 Maryland Marathon.

RUN #2

Sixteen months after the finish of Run #1, after a brief ceremony, Frank began Run #2 from the steps of San Francisco's City Hall. This time his support crew consisted of his family and a friend. His brother John stayed with him on a bicycle to give immediate support. He had a radio/cassette player mounted on the back of the bike, as well as medical supplies and food for he and Frank. His parents, Frank Sr. and Josephine Giannino, drove the motor home and provided all-round support. His friend Bruce Goldberg did the public relations work, contacting the media, United Way representatives and running clubs along the way. Frank Sr., a retired male nurse, looked after Frank's health and the health of everyone on the trip. He drove and maintained the motor home. Josephine created a homey atmosphere in the motor home, did the cooking and calorie counting, and kept a detailed diary of her experiences. The family dog, Brindle, was on the trip too.

Things were not easy on Run #2. On the 4th of July, Stan Cottrell of Georgia raised the performance bar, completing a well-financed run from New York City to San Francisco in 48 days 1 hour 48 minutes, an average of 64 miles per day. Frank's original plan for Run #2 was to average 60 miles per day. Cottrell's effort raised the bar. Not only did he have to better that average, but he had to do it convincingly. Frank did not have the gifts of a fast ultra-marathoner, but he did have two things going for him — he had done this before, and he had the perfect support team to do it with - his family! If he was going to average more than 64 miles per day, everything was going to have to come together perfectly.

Frank's plan was to reach Fort Collins, CO at an average of 60 miles per day. After that, he planned to average 70 miles per day. The plan was to run 2.5 miles at 10-12 minutes per mile, walk a little, run 2.5 again and repeat the process through twenty miles; then break for breakfast for one hour; run/walk another twenty miles; break one hour for lunch; then run as many miles as possible into the nighttime hours. The first four days across California were rough. Frank's pace was slow. California roads were very busy. The family was not making enough sacrifices in an effort to reach seventy miles per day. Instead of foregoing showers and parking near the finish marker, the family would drive out of its way for a KOA, in order to be comfortable after the fifty or so miles they had covered. This pace was far below the 60 miles and ultimately 70 miles that would be needed daily.

With a renewed resolve, all family members dug in and made sacrifices. In some cases, the sacrifices were painful. Frank Sr. came down with dysentery in Nevada. John's bike was run over. Bruce survived stomach problems. Frank lost three toenails. Brindle, more than once, managed to collect burrs in her fur while seeking relief during roadside pit-stops. The stories, as on Run #1, are legendary.

Suffice it to say, things worked out in the end. The group tightened up the routine. They grabbed showers when available. Only Frank bathed at the end of the day in the motor home shower. Frank's mileage routine increased. After Fort Collins, the crew awoke at 3:00 AM; Frank ran 25 miles; broke for breakfast; twenty five more miles; lunch; then as many miles as possible by dark. They reached the 70-mile goal almost every day and finished in 46 days 8 hours 36 minutes. The Guinness Book of World Records still lists it as the fastest crossing of the United States on foot.

Many people influenced Frank's decisions to do these runs. None more than the efforts of Dave MacGillivray. One of Dave's many personal accomplishments was his 1978 run across America for the Jimmy Fund. David is the director of the Boston Marathon and is a great and cherished resource.

Section two

Urgency and long term thinking - http://runrunlive.com/the-challenge-with-urgency-and-short-term-thinking


Well my friends you have run completely across the country to the end of episode 4-352 of the RunRunLive Podcast.  Are you tired?

The next race for me will be the Thanksgiving morning Turkey trot.  I don’t like 5k’s.  You’d think I’d be ok with 20 minutes of intense effort versus a multi-hour campaign.  But, no, I’m not. 

It takes my body 10+ minutes to warm up to race effort.  If I jump in cold the race is almost over before my heart rate normalizes.  It hurts too.  It’s a foreign feeling for me now to force myself to race at tempo pace.  I’d much prefer the slow dull blade of a fat adapted endurance effort to the white-hot burn of a short race.

I’ll tell you a story. 

When I was 14 or 15 this time of year I ran cross country for my school.  We would take the school van to other small New England prep schools in within driving distance for meets. 

I remember one cold morning in November we went to an away meet.  When the race began it started snowing.  The snowflakes were those big fluffy ones that you get early in the season when winter isn’t quite sure of itself yet.  They float down like big, fluffy, wet potato chips and dissolve into anything they hit. 

When we ran in those days we ran in short shorts and a racing singlet.  I can remember those big snowflakes covering my exposed thighs as I raced, making them numb as the snow evaporated.  I don’t remember anything else about that day, just the crunch of the leaves under my Nike Waffle Racers and the numb wetness of my thighs.

I’ll see you out there.

MarathonBQ – How to Qualify for the Boston Marathon in 14 Weeks - http://www.marathonbq.com/qualify-for-the-boston-marathon-in-14-weeks/



Direct download: epi4352.mp3
Category:Running -- posted at: 8:32pm EDT





November 2016
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30