The RunRunLive 4.0 Podcast Episode 4-432 – Running through the Pandemic

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Hello and welcome to episode 4-432 of the RunRunLive Podcast.

How are you doing?  Really, how are you doing?  This is a powerful question.  I find myself slipping more and more into a coaching and advising role as I get deeper into my career.  And these past couple weeks I’ve found that to be a very useful and powerful question. 

And a gift.  How are you doing?  Start your conversation by leaning into that zoom call, smiling, in a concerned way into that grainy laptop camera and asking ‘How are you doing?’ Then sit back and be prepared to listen, to be empathetic.  To nod understandingly.  That’s an enormous gift you can give these days.

I’m doing ok.  I’ve been working on my nutrition still.  I’ve gotten close to 170 a couple days but keep popping back up to 175 ish as soon as I eat something.  It’s a bit frustrating.  I’m not getting enough miles in my training to move the needle. 

We’ve got a good and timely show today.  I sit down with our friend Dr. Greg to talk about some practical strategies for coming out of the apocalypse. 

In section one I’ll talk a bit about some strategies to turn all these nascent runners into life-long runners.

In section two I’ll talk about made up things, probably also timely.

So – they canceled Boston.  It had been rescheduled to September.  But, they sent an email to us yesterday that the race was being canceled.  It seems like you can get a refund and there is going to be some sort of virtual race, but it will take a couple days for all the details to be sure. 

If you were paying attention you got to see Mayor Marty Walsh.  That is the face of every Irish politician in Boston right there.  May-yah Mahty.   That’s the face of the Statey at the airport waving you along.  ‘Yah can’t Pahk Heah!”, or leaning in your car window looking for ‘License and Registration’. 


I was running on a charity bib this year, not sure how that works now.  I’m out of qualification. 

Funny thing is that I’m in good shape.  I’ve got no injuries and have been basically training since December!  With my recent weight loss and nutrition I’m running fast, for me.  I think the only thing missing is a couple big volume weeks and I could race well. 

I’ve been doing a lot of shorter tempo runs and have been hitting good paces even on my tired days.  I don’t feel like I’m in great shape.  I feel like I’m old and tired and slow.  My legs are achy and sore especially my quads on the uphills – but my tempo is in the mid-7’s – which is a minute off my PR’s from 20 years ago – but I only need an 8:13 to BQ. . 

I am slogging away at the virtual race across Tennessee.  Falling behind as it were with my puny 30 odd miles a week.  C’est la vie.  Went for a bike ride yesterday.  Did about 26 miles in around an hour and a half. 

Almost got decapitated.  True story. 

I was rolling down this big hill towards the end of my ride.  Maybe going 20-25 miles per hour on Fuji-san, recovering from having just struggled up said hill.  There was a big construction dump truck coming up the hill in the other direction. You know the ones; used to carry great loads of dirt and rocks around from construction sites. 

Now, our roads here is New England tend to be a bit rough towards the edges and I usually try to stay out of the gutter where the roughest bits are, especially when going fast.  I had looked over my shoulder and I was the only one on the road in my direction.  I was therefor riding out towards the center edge of the lane, keeping my eye on the truck as well because for some reason people sometimes drift over into your lane and I was not going to win that argument. 

Apparently, this guy, and I’m sure it was a guy, had thrown some long lumber boards into the empty back of the dump truck.  I suppose when he started they were sticking out the back.  Those trucks are pretty bouncy and the lumber had drifted with the jostling and was sticking out of the truck sideways into oncoming traffic. 

I’m not sure it was low enough to actually get me, but at the last second I ducked under it.  I felt a bit violated but not decapitated.  I’ll take violated over decapitated most days.  As I turned around to yell some salty language it did look like he was stopping to fix this potential pedalist guillotine. 

That’s a story I’m not going to tell my wife. 

On with the show.

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Section one – Advice for new runners -


Voices of reason – the conversation

Greg Milbourne

Dr. Milbourne is a licensed psychologist specializing in work with children, families, couples and adults across the lifespan. From retirement home residents coping with end of life issues to an office practice helping families, couples, adults and children, Dr. Milbourne focuses on obtaining and maintaining good physical and mental health.

“𝘐 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘬𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘱𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘧𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦’𝘴 𝘴𝘰 𝘦𝘹𝘩𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘴. 𝘐𝘵’𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘢𝘣𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦’𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦.. 𝘖𝘶𝘳 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘧𝘦𝘦𝘭 𝘸𝘦’𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵. 𝘋𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘦𝘹𝘩𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨.. 𝘐𝘵’𝘴 𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘪𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳’𝘴 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦, 𝘰𝘳 𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳’𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦, 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳’𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦. 𝘖𝘶𝘳 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘤𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘴𝘰 𝘮𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘹𝘵, 𝘴𝘰 𝘮𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘪𝘯 𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴, 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘯 𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘰 𝘪𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘸𝘦𝘪𝘳𝘥 𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘧𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘥. 𝘞𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘰 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘢𝘯’𝘵 𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘦𝘯𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩. 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘳𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘴 𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘵.”     

Gregory B. Milbourne, Psy.D.

Section two – Made up things  –



Well, my friends, It is time to emerge from your cocoon and rise chrysalis to butterfly into the sweet smelling morning air that is t the RunRunLive Podcast Episode 4-432.   

How are you doing?

Enough of that!

Big news is that I got my garden planted.  I already have some good sized lettuces.  I’m a modern day Cincinnatus.  I’m not really, he grew cabbages and saved the Roman state.  I grow lettuces and have saved nothing!

Actual news is that our friend Eric, who you remember from Leadville last summer, ran across Missouri over the Memorial Day weekend.  Yup, 245 miles in 3 days and collected $40k for charity.  I want to be like Eric when I grow up.  We’ll have to get him on the show to talk about it.

And if your curious about the detail behind all the training techniques I talk about, apparently my coach has written them all down in an e-book.  I will put the link in the show notes and maybe we’ll catch up with him at some point.  He knows more about this stuff than I do so it’s probably a good investment if you want to run better.

I have a question for you.  When you’re out doing a workout what’s the smallest denomination of money you’ll stop and pick up?  I founds 3 pennies on Friday and I was quite pleased with myself.  How about you?  Will you stop for the odd penny?  Or does it take folding money to break your forward progress?

I’m looking out my office (read spare bedroom now that the kids are gone) window at Ollie the Collie.  He’s sleeping in the grass in the front lawn.  He turned one year old yesterday.  I’m not sure I’ll survive until he’s 3 or 4.  He’s got more manic energy than a crack head. 

He drags me out of bed at 5:00 AM every morning and insists we go for a walk.  And his idea of a walk is running full tilt up and down the trail ripping logs out of the ground and bashing them into my legs while growling gleefully.  Absolutely nutty.

I think words are very powerful.  When we first started writing things down it was like a form of magic.  Think of spells and incantations and ‘the power of the word’.  And since everything is made up, you get to use words, magic words, to make up your own story.  This doesn’t mean telling tall tales.  It means describing a path for you and following it.

I heard this quote from poet Gregory Orr this week, where he talked about the power of words, that really struck me, and thought I’d share.

“Let’s remake the world with words.

Not frivolously, nor

To hide from what we fear,

But with a purpose.


Let’s, remove

“The dust of custom” so things

Shine again, each object arrayed,

In its robe of original light.


And then we’ll see the world,

As if for the first time.

As once we gazed at the beloved,

Who was gazing at us.” 

Humbly, I submit that my own words are but fevered scratchings at the hard shell of reality. 

Words are the power of your narrative.

Remember that as feeble as it may seem you can create your own reality and pull people into it with words and narrative.

And - I’ll see you out there.

(Outro bumper)

To take you out is Track number 11 from Brian Sheff The Rock Opera by The Nays - Called "Dusty Laptop"


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